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Old April-4th-2002 | 09:34 PM
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Ok looking for upgrades hear

I'm ready to put on intakes or cams or headers or and thing big like that, but what little things, anything really even that other stuff I guess, will make a difference dispite cost will make my performance be better then stock. Anything. If it helps I plan on getting my dirty( oil ) little hands on every Warrentied MazdaSpeed part there gonna make in the future. I drive a 2000 1.6L lX A/T, with 49k on the stock motor
Old April-4th-2002 | 09:40 PM
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So far, for the 1.6l, we have no cams available, nor do we have headers (due the placement of the primary catalitic converter) available. your best bet is just drop the basics in. For the 1.6l, other than custom, the Injen CAI is available, and there are a couple cat-back exhaust systems available. IMHO, the Bosal is the best (biased, since i have it). Aside from that, lowering springs for a better stance, along with numerous suspension upgrades. If you do a search on the forums here, you'll find quite a bit of info on all this. You expressed somethign about "warrantied" parts. You can do all this without voiding your warranties. The only time the warranties on your car are voided, is if the aftermarket part you put on, is the cause of the problem with the car. :]
Old April-4th-2002 | 09:59 PM
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Ok

Oh i didn't know that abou the warrenty, but the warrentied parts i was talking about are the MazdaSpeed line comeing to the market, its rumured that they will have warrenties and hopefully after market parts for the 1.6 with come in eventually. if not I just gonna order a Familia engine for Europe, I forget which model but it puts out 180 hp without a turbo or Supercharger. i think
Old April-4th-2002 | 10:21 PM
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that would be the 2.0l FS-ZE from the Sport 20 (Familia). A couple people on the board here have this conversion. In the states here, it won't put out that much power without a custom ecu (i believe) but is possible with the ecu to get it up around 150-170. I could be wrong on that, feel free to correct me on this anyone. ;]
Old April-4th-2002 | 10:42 PM
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The FS-ZE will put out close to 170hp in an A-spec car with no other mods i believe, yet if you have a 1.6L car I don't even know that it will fit on the stock mounts. If it does I am sure it will need an ECU upgrade to deal with larger/different engine. Call Corksport, they should tell you everything you need to know about an engine swap.
Old April-5th-2002 | 04:11 AM
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well with the conversion, i mean if I had the money i would pay for new motor mounts to fit the car, i have plenty of room in the engine compartment, frankly i dont know why mazda made this dinky engine but hey i still love my car, i spent the today installing my MB Quarts and re=working some amp wires that made my installation look novis, I love this car, i just wish it were faster.
Old April-6th-2002 | 10:39 AM
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you could give your cams a regrind.....any decent tuning shop should be able to do this or outsource it to someone who can...MRT performance based here in Australia have expressed an interest in performing such a job....however by doing this you might lose driveability...and low down power as well...which we know as 1.6 drivers that it is already"not the cars forte" why not turbo it?...now that would be something...remember the 1.6ers weigh approx 200kgs less than their 2.0l brothers.

imho going the turbo route may in fact be a better option than the engine transplant...which would btw make an interesting thread

custom turbo vs fsze

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Old April-6th-2002 | 01:50 PM
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In reference to the engine mounts, I meant that I am not sure if the Mounts are located on the same parts of the engine/sub-frame. I don't know how well things will line up. Also your car has a different transmission than the 2.0Ls(check that out in the FAQ), and I don't know if they are compatible.

Just the difference from the 1.8L to the 2.0L requires modifications to the engine mounts and they are the same engine block, just different stroke. Mazda has the small engine sitting lower in the bay, I don't think that is just do to the shorter stroke(I believe it is a 9mm difference between the two engines). The 1.8L sits at least two inches lower in the bay.

Anyway I would talk to as many people as possible (Corksport woud tell you everything) about doing a swap from a 1.6L to the FS-ZE. Otherwise take Tresdos3 advice and do some cam work. It is much easier to do that yourself. Unorthodox Racing is also possibly releasing adjustable cam gears for some different engines. Run a search and see what you can find, I know I saw that on here somewehre. Also if you wait a few months, some companies are planning on releasing some Turbo upgrades for a lot of different proteges.
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ustom?

How much would a custom turbo cost and who could do it that is near me, I live in the norhwest, tuning up here is like a country record store in England, there aint alot, al least not many good ones. What kind of HP gains could I be looking at. I will be getting a Injen CAI, or a weapon Air CAI, AEM wires and pluges, MSD ignotion, um mabey that cam i'd hate to loose what crapy low end Torque and HP i have now that, i've been looking for better injecters but I can't seem to gind any aint sure wiether it would make a difference anyway. but the real question is about the custom turbo- the Garret T-25, or somthing bigger I dont want NOS but I want around 250 HP and 200 or better Torque are those sane figures for a 1.6L

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Old April-6th-2002 | 11:47 PM
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I don't mean to be a jerk here, but have you ever considered trading the entire car for a 1.8L or 2.0L with a manual tranny? Compared to a 1.6L, the 1.8/2.0L cars have more power than your 1.6L will put out with bolt-ons, better tranny gearing, bigger front brakes, and better seats to boot. Not to mention the fact that automatic trannies drastically suck performance from small 4-cylinder cars like ours.

Upgrading your car to merely match the performance of a stock 5-speed 1.8L or 2.0L will probably cost more than the trade-in difference. And don't count on the aftermarket supporting the 1.6L, ever. Speed parts companies often ignore base engines, and the 1.6L will be discontinued for over a year when the Mazdaspeed catalog comes out, so offering 1.6L parts won't help Mazda dealers sell new cars. Also, remember that the MP3 and P5 only come in 2.0L form.

I don't mean to be discouraging; I'm just wondering
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yeh man...you might be best to just cut your losses....if you want 200-250 hp...you will probably end up spending less in the long run if you start of with a 2liter base
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I also have a 1.6L and i'm just thinking about puting on a injen cai and an exhaust then just working on the interior of the car. I've been searching for ever for parts for the 1.6 but there isn't much. Will a cat back exhaust and the cai make a noticable difference? I would like the car to go faster if i'm going to make it look fast.
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