Real MS pro dyno results!!
September-2nd-2002 | 02:46 PM
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From: Sultan Wa.
Real MS pro dyno results!!
So I am at the supermarket the other day and I look at SCCR mag and the have a review of the mazdaspeed pro. I was very happy to see they included a dyno. I am pretty impressed the car is supposedly 5 less hp than the spec v but real world # it's actually about 10 hp more. I hang on the spec v forums also and almost all of the stock spec dynos have been 140 or 141hp. It seems mazda is actually rating the car true. Cool huh?
September-3rd-2002 | 11:03 AM
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easiest and most effective upgrade for the MS would be a turbo upgrade...like a boost controller or a bigger turbo....possibly an intake mod...like a short ram rather than the stock airbox...only need to flow MORE air,dont need a CAI since it's intercooled and a CAI would be unnecessarily risking your engine....and this car I think is going to be way more impressive than the BEGI turbo P5 since its lighter,better suspension and thicker axles to handle the extra power,plus an LSD to put the power to the ground better
September-4th-2002 | 03:07 AM
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Originally posted by macdaddyslomo
only need to flow MORE air,dont need a CAI since it's intercooled and a CAI would be unnecessarily risking your engine....
only need to flow MORE air,dont need a CAI since it's intercooled and a CAI would be unnecessarily risking your engine....
Don't forget that if you up the boost, you will have to do something to ensure proper fuel and timing delivery. It's not always as easy as just bolting on a bigger turbo.
The MS car is lighter than a normal Protege? This I did not know. Are you sure about that?
Suspension can be modifed (some magazines don't think it's well done on the MS), and we'll see about axles. I agree the LSD is a desireable thing. However, for those that already own a Protege and/or don't get one of the few MS cars, it's good to have options. The MS is already behind the aftermarket kits on power output, and development continues...
Keith
September-4th-2002 | 11:05 AM
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Sorry Keith,let me clarify...a sedan is DEFINITELY lighter than a P5...a CAI is an unnecessary risk with a turbo engine because the intercooler already cools the intake charge and CAI's have a tendency to suck water...also you get all this equipment on the MS for about $20,000 MSRP....try and buy a P5,add a Turbo,do equivalent suspension mods install thicker axles,lsd,bigger brakes,and come out at $20,000 or under....btw Mazda advertised 170 hp...but it dynoed at 151 whp...isnt that higher than the FM dyno..I'm not knockin you guys,your doing great work,wish you made a turbo for my lowly 1.6L.....but you have to admit the MS Pro is awesome and actually has great bang for your buck!!!!
September-4th-2002 | 11:26 AM
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I'll address this one point at a time.
5 speed Protege sedan: 2634 lbs
5 speed Protege5 wagon: 2716 lbs
5-speed MS Protege turbo: 2844 lbs
I guess that 450W stereo weighs a bit.
A CAI does not have to be badly engineered. CAI means Cold Air Induction. It does not mean "put a big cone filter close to the (hot) pavement". There are several ways to get cold air into an intake without putting the car at risk. Most of them involve putting the filter in a better location than at the bottom of the fender - which is a poor choice for cold air as it tends to be warmer than ambient anyhow. For example, air can be taken over the rad (as in the stock Protege setup) or from the cowl. Yes, an intercooler does help with intake temps but the cooler the better.
It's true that the price of the Mazdaspeed car is pretty good. It's about $4k more than a P5. However, it's at least $7,000 more than a Protege DX with the FS motor. Imagine what you could do with $7,000 in modifications.
Mazda advertised 170 hp at the crank. The tested 151 hp/150 ft/lbs at the wheels is plausible. The FM Protege pulled 167.5 hp and 191.5 ft/lbs at the wheels the last time it was on the dyno.
Keith
5 speed Protege sedan: 2634 lbs
5 speed Protege5 wagon: 2716 lbs
5-speed MS Protege turbo: 2844 lbs
I guess that 450W stereo weighs a bit.
A CAI does not have to be badly engineered. CAI means Cold Air Induction. It does not mean "put a big cone filter close to the (hot) pavement". There are several ways to get cold air into an intake without putting the car at risk. Most of them involve putting the filter in a better location than at the bottom of the fender - which is a poor choice for cold air as it tends to be warmer than ambient anyhow. For example, air can be taken over the rad (as in the stock Protege setup) or from the cowl. Yes, an intercooler does help with intake temps but the cooler the better.
It's true that the price of the Mazdaspeed car is pretty good. It's about $4k more than a P5. However, it's at least $7,000 more than a Protege DX with the FS motor. Imagine what you could do with $7,000 in modifications.
Mazda advertised 170 hp at the crank. The tested 151 hp/150 ft/lbs at the wheels is plausible. The FM Protege pulled 167.5 hp and 191.5 ft/lbs at the wheels the last time it was on the dyno.
Keith
September-4th-2002 | 11:42 AM
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From: Sultan Wa.
Keith what does you guys' kit cost?
Originally posted by Keith@FM
I'll address this one point at a time.
Mazda advertised 170 hp at the crank. The tested 151 hp/150 ft/lbs at the wheels is plausible. The FM Protege pulled 167.5 hp and 191.5 ft/lbs at the wheels the last time it was on the dyno.
Keith
I'll address this one point at a time.
Mazda advertised 170 hp at the crank. The tested 151 hp/150 ft/lbs at the wheels is plausible. The FM Protege pulled 167.5 hp and 191.5 ft/lbs at the wheels the last time it was on the dyno.
Keith