no, it's not a direct fit. The actual intake manifold lower half he uses is different. I tried contacting him to see what he did to mount the two together....no reply.

I don't feel good about running a large blower with no means of intercooling and having to remove pieces of the car to get it on there.

This may in all honesty turn out to only be a priject for me and my car. I'm willing to make sacrifices that I'm sure some of you are not. I personally don't mind losing the powersteering. Also, doing that would allow for so many more possibilites on a supercharger application. Also, I prefer a nice air-air intercooler up front with a sprayer. Not going to be able to do that with the eatons mounted on the intake manifold....it just boils down to what people want to do.

I myself can do without AC and P/S...I doubt many of you would.

 

no AC is straight, but...no power steering?

 

It can be done either/or.....P/S is right up top and super easy access. Also, removing the AC is going to consist of properly draining the freon from the system and disposing of it properly....or you could you just release it all from the schraoder valve.

Another BIG perk of dropping the AC is that you can also remove all associated piping, and hardware. The condernsor comes out along with the compressor and wiring...I bet it's 40+lbs of dead weight at that point.

If I were to get full sponsorship from a larger company I would actually remove everything from the car and make it a SERIOUS race/show car. I would require a monthly payment of course or a considerable lump sum to allow me to purchase another daily driver....probably just a kia or so.

With about 150lbs of weight dropped from the engine bay and a blower the P5 would be a SERIOUS contender at any event be it drag racing or auto-x.

 

Sorry you're dealing with somewhat of a newb here, but is it just the power steering resivoir thats in the way? Are they hard lines that cannot be moved? I've seen a catch can for the power steering previously.

I'm bagging the car, soo, in loosing all handling characteristics I may be open to dropping the strut bar as well.

Dunno still just a little skeptical on power steering system. Is there no CEL associated with that?

but, turning it into an auto X car does sound somewhat appealing....

 

also, with the wagner cams, we would be purchasing the NA trim, not the FI ?

 

NA cams would be used for the supercharger...the supercharger isn't controled by exhaust gas pulses so the cam won't affect it in any way.

The problem with the powersteering is that there is fluid inside the system and you will want that fluid to stay in there. What I'd have to do is find a way to remove the powersteering pump. Basically bypass the pump but leave the exsisting hard-lines and resivour. There are hard lines on the PS system and that is another obsticle when it came to re-routing the pump. All new lines would have to be made.

Dropping the AC appears to be much easier and more beneficial as it will maintain the PS for daily driving and remove much more "dead weight" from the nose of the vehicle. However. Once it's out it will be VERY difficult to ever return back to stock. This should be a KEY consideration point if anyone is interested in doing this. Do not expect to be able to trade this car in. You will need to plan selling it to someone who can appreciate it for what it is.

Losing the AC may be the better way to go now that I start thinking through it.

 

I use to be a CL-S owner and one of the mods that I was really waiting for was a supercharger or a turbo. Unfortunately, I totalled the car before the supercharger from Comptech was released. I bring this up because I don't know if you have seen the SC for a CL-S before but one thing that was interesting was how it was driven by the pulley. It uses a "driveshaft" of sorts to spin it. Mind you, I am not your SC specialist so I haven't seen much setups and so if this is a common setup, excuse my ignorance. I just remembered earlier in this thread you mentioned trying to find a location for the crank pulley connect to the SC and I remembered the Comptech setup. I also don't know if this will help your TB dilemma but it's worth posting. Maybe my dreams of going supercharged may come true someday. Here are some pics of the comptech SC.

 

Yeah, those are good pics. I've passed on the eaton idea because of how little power they produce and how much heat is associated with them. Also, they are larger and bulkier than other centrifugal blowers. The problem wasn't really finding a place to mount the blower it's finding a plice to DRIVE the blower. The pulley in the Comptech kit is mounted up top above the engine and this won't work with a stock protege hood.

Also, That is a 3.2L V6 and an Eaton M62 blower on it only mad like 40-60hp....thats horrible. For reference, my friends 3.0L ranger got an M62 eaton and it made 230whp from 140bhp stock...no other mods made...thats a minimum of 90hp assuming 0 powertrain loss. Those blowers just aren't efficient enough for me.

 

Oh well, I gave it a shot.

 

hey, I appreciate it. I've just already looked into them. I just wanted to point out why it wouldn't work. If you have any other ideas let me know! I don't think I know it all so if you have a different outlook on something tell me!

 

what does the 2.0 S2000 comptech kit use?

also whats the difference in inter and after cooler? I realize inter = between, and after-obiously, but what are the advantages?

 

an aftercooler is a air-water cooler and horribly ineffective on the street. There is very little proof that they even produce better gains on the race track only. They run off of a seperate water tank, water pump, cooling lines and radiator. It adds a lot of weight toi the vehicle and will only cool as long as the ice inside the tank (inside your hot engine) will stay frozen...after that it's worthless.

I've seen the comptech on an S2K here and I believe it was a Vortech S-1 trim. Another good blower, but not the one I'm hoping to use. I may use because of sheer cost though. The Vortech is about $300 less than the ATI that I prefer.

 

so for a full 5 grand kit is the outlook for a clean install on an intercooled kit still poor?

i'm all about the s/c idea but im having trouble with the increased removal and relocation ideas

 

I think what you're asking is "Can the kit be made to look clean without removal or relocating of pieces if we're willing to pay $5K?".

The answer is No.

The problem with this is the way the engine is packaged in the protege engine bay. Pieces like the powersteering pump and AC are fed/supply hard lines that are not adjustable for the most part. They can't be bent because they are soft aluminum and will split in two. I originally wanted to lower the AC compressor, raise the PS pump and fit a small oulley between them on a larger belt. The problem comes with the fact that the PS bracket is also the only tensioner for the front half of the engine. So altering that bracket means you'd have to add an even more complex tightening system for the belts.

One more thing to point out. When I started this project it was just for me to build one of the only street driven supercharged P5's. I was asked to make it into a kit and the more people I started talking to agreed. Price had to be kept as low or lower than a turbo kit to sell any.

 

what about using some new custom bent lines to accomodate for your needs or some steel braided lines to allow for some play?? shouldnt be to awful expensive to do...the wings west pro was supercharged and retained a/c and power steering from what i remember