on the part about paying lawyer fees, if it does go to court and i win, the dealership will pay all legal fees, i've done a LOT of research and found lots of information and i have a strong case against them, and yeah, it's not for a set of wheels anymore, after dealing with this dealership with my nissan and now with the new car and getting terrible rude service, it's about getting rid of the car and not wanting to have anything to do with them, i'll go buy a protege at a different dealership.

I'm writing a letter to the dealership/sales manager, if anyone's interested in reading it i could post it when i'm done, it ought to be interesting reading

 

Yeah, def.. post that up...this is really engaging.

 

man, what car dealer does give good service? Thier all crooks and will rip people off for thousands of dollars and can still sleep at night. I HATE car dealers.

Well, if you do fight them, good luck, the con artists deserve everything bad that ever comes to them.

 

instead of getting just the mazdaspeed wheels out of this maybe you can get a mazdaspeed protege. Much better than the Spec V anyways

 

How much did you pay for this DX with a body kit anyway?

 

Am I the only one that sees how fricken stupid this is?

When you did the contract with the dealer, did you know that the Harts were 5 lug while your DX had the 4 lug hubs?

You were dealing with a salesperson, not a service tech.

Reading this thread gave me a headache, and reminded me why the legal system is so clogged with lame cases such as this.

 

I'm gonna have to stand up for nai8o5 on this one, if he wasn't aware of the lug difference. The Protege is probably the only car I have ever seen, with the exception of the older Mustangs, that had two different lug patterns. Most cars, regardless of trim level, have the same backspacing and pattern, making it simple to swap wheels between them. I can't say I personally wouldn't have taken the dealer up on the offer for another set of 17's, but if the MSP wheels were the ones he really wanted, then some type of agreement needs to be made, and ultimately, the dealer IS responsible for fulfilling their contract. They are a Mazda dealership, and any salesman that's worth a **** should know about the cars he's selling, and if he doesn't, then he should have checked to make sure it was possible before making a deal. They do have techs available, and could have easily avoided this whole situation.

 

I agree, 03ESPro

 

So what??? Let's say i'm going to buy a car....any car. You can be damn sure that i would know everything about the car down to the pattern on the floormats before i bought it. But there is another issue here. Many people buy their car based on a test drive, a review in a magazine, or word of mouth. Last time i checked the majority or car owners can't even change a flat tire. If you asked THEM what a lug pattern was they'd just get stupider. These salesmen sell cars for a living. That means 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, possible for years. How frigign hard is it for the people whose friggin job it is to sell cars to actually learn about the cars they are selling. The salesmen, and his boss (who btw MUST verify the terms of sale and price before selling) are responsible. Legal fees my *** you don't even need a high priced attorney. Just say exibit A is my contract. Since they broke the contract and gave you the wrong car (dx instead of es inthe contract) and they couldnt get you the rims, you win. I'm a computer science student. Could you imagine if i sold a peice of software to a huge coorperation and i required the jackass coorperation to know more about software engineering and programming then me? I'd be out of a job. if this was the case then maybe you should know the physics behind a miscrowave before you can buy one.

 

uh man, i know what its like to go to a dealership wanting a car and them not have it, so you settled for less, but are you kidding me? that much less? going from a spec v to a dayum dx? whoa, i could see settling for a different color, but come on a totally diff car that has no comparison at all, oh i can get rh' wheels with it, now now, why not just buy the msp? at least its closer to the spec v. i cant believe you would jump that much lower becuz you thought u could get rh wheels. You may have it in writing, but do you have it in contract from the dealer and them signing it saying the car would come with it, if its just somethign you wrote down that they said, it will hold no legal grounds in court.

 

It is normal for car salesman to not know **** about the cars they are selling. If they do give you information, its usually wrong anyway.

Car salesman are guys who couldnt get a job anywhere else and need something to hold them over.

Their ONLY concern is thier profit, they could care less about the actual product.

I have NEVER met a salsman who knew half of what I knew about the car I was buying.

if you rely on them , you are making a big mistake.

 

You are missing the point.........

BTW, did you ever finish writing that letter??? Post it once its done.

 

Not, totally true, Least not my experiences with car saleman, yes some have that sleezy vulture car sales man attitude to were all they want to do is make a sale, Some use it as a side job, and some are really good at what they do, Which isn't always selling the car.

The saleman when i baught my 02 lancer, knew more about the car than i did, and it was very valid and true information. I always go home and think about what im gonna at least one day before i buy it.. So i took the info he gave me went home and validated it. He was very straight honost and to the point with me about everyting on the car.

I've had some salesman actually tell me not to buy a car they offered becuz of its shitty quality.

Really depends on who you talk to. When i go to buy a car, i dont buy the car from the first guy that walks up and ask if he can help, those are the vulture types that only want a sale, I don't buy from the guys that wear the cheesy clothes that make them look like used car salemen with the greesed back hair, I go inside and talk to the guy that When i talk to them i know they know what there talking about. If you hang around looking at the car long enuf, one of the saleman that knows everything about the car NOT BROCHURE INFORMATION, but actually has researched the car will show up.

I would never buy a car suicide style were the first saleman i talked to is who i baught it from.

 

The accountability starts at the sales person. If he put the wrong model (ES opposed to DX) on the paperwork, then the service people would see the ES and believe the rims will fit. The sales manager would see the ES and believe the rims will fit. And because your sales person was unfamiliar with the car, the dealership is ultimately responsible as well.

I believe that car sales person will be out of a job very soon.

I wonder if you could get them to trade your DX for and ES in order to make the rims fit. the price difference is ~$2500 MSRP and that might be less of an expense to the dealership than going to court.

 

I guess it depends on your own general auto knowledge as to weather or not the saleman appears to know a lot or not. I suppose there are some good ones out there. it doesnt matter who you buy the car from, as long as you get a fair price.