out of commison... again
August-7th-2002, 01:20 AM
#46
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Re: out of commison... again
Originally posted by Patio
ran through some deep water, Injen sucked it up, car shut off just as i was getting to higher land, tryed starting it, no dice
its been 4-5 hours, i tryed starting it again, it turned over once, then just died out again
am i going to need a new motor?
I took the n2o out again, along with the CAI, car is ready to see the dealer again
ran through some deep water, Injen sucked it up, car shut off just as i was getting to higher land, tryed starting it, no dice
its been 4-5 hours, i tryed starting it again, it turned over once, then just died out again
am i going to need a new motor?
I took the n2o out again, along with the CAI, car is ready to see the dealer again
August-7th-2002, 01:28 AM
#47
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It totally sucks that you sucked (water that is). I'm in the automotive biz, so here's my insight. You can try to change oil, remove all the aftermarket accessories that you can but there's no doubt that if and once they remove your head ( on your engine not your neck) they will see that the head gasket is okay and quickly come to the conclusion that water came in through the intake. There is only a few ways water can get into your cylinders, so it's going to be tough to try and pull a fast one on these guys (it's there job to know this stuff). With water in your cylinders (which you can't compress, or burn out the exhaust if there is too much) you have likely bent a connecting rod. Probably not a whole engine but the top end anyhow !! Not cheap but cheaper than an engine. Maybe insurance could help, not likely where I'm from but worth a look.
Good luck !!
Good luck !!
August-7th-2002, 08:16 AM
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frankd...
My point was not to be a wise *** in telling the guy to read the posts. My point was that conditions in Houston are NOT broadly applicable to driving conditions in 99.99% of North America. And this thread shouldn't be read as "Injen intakes cause hydrolock!!"
We have flash floods with regularity here. He did something that he shouldn't have done knowing that he had the intake on the car. Yes if you submerge it it will cause hydrolock. Simple solution...don't submerge it! I don't mean that as a wise *** remark either. I'm saying this was avoidable and shouldn't be seen as an intake problem. It was driver error problem. I'm not condemning Patio. I've met him and he's a good kid, but this was just one of those things where he goofed. I hate to see a paranoia arise over Injens when this situation is not something that's normal in any way.
Does that make sense???
My point was not to be a wise *** in telling the guy to read the posts. My point was that conditions in Houston are NOT broadly applicable to driving conditions in 99.99% of North America. And this thread shouldn't be read as "Injen intakes cause hydrolock!!"
We have flash floods with regularity here. He did something that he shouldn't have done knowing that he had the intake on the car. Yes if you submerge it it will cause hydrolock. Simple solution...don't submerge it! I don't mean that as a wise *** remark either. I'm saying this was avoidable and shouldn't be seen as an intake problem. It was driver error problem. I'm not condemning Patio. I've met him and he's a good kid, but this was just one of those things where he goofed. I hate to see a paranoia arise over Injens when this situation is not something that's normal in any way.
Does that make sense???
August-7th-2002, 08:30 AM
#49
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Agreed, Tex, I guess 3 factors then combined to cause this:
(1) Freak Flash Flood
(2) Aftermarket intake
(3) Driver bad judgement
Since we can't control (1), and anyone can have occasional lapses in (3), the best way to be extra safe is to not have (2). My warped logic anyways.
(1) Freak Flash Flood
(2) Aftermarket intake
(3) Driver bad judgement
Since we can't control (1), and anyone can have occasional lapses in (3), the best way to be extra safe is to not have (2). My warped logic anyways.
August-7th-2002, 10:37 AM
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frankd, if we never took chances with our cars everyone would be driving stockers and the aftermarket would be a dead business.....
anyway...as far as HOW much water was there...and the remarks about how deep it was....his car is lowered....and he stated that when the water hit the front of his car it was up to the headlights......that is NOT that high...especially on his car which is lowered quite a bit. you see....when he fell in behind that other driver, the other drivers car was and WILL push the water out of the way...its why he got right behind him...he was driving in behind the wake of the other car.....when he got out from behind him the wake and wash from the other car and traffic caught up to him....its not that he hit some massive three foot pot hole....and the standing water doesn't have to be that deep....but when you get another car or whatever moving the water.....a wave kicks up which for that moment that it hits you or passes you....yes....the water depth gets VERY deep....that, and the NEED to get out of the house for him was the cause...the #3 part. :{D
anyway...as far as HOW much water was there...and the remarks about how deep it was....his car is lowered....and he stated that when the water hit the front of his car it was up to the headlights......that is NOT that high...especially on his car which is lowered quite a bit. you see....when he fell in behind that other driver, the other drivers car was and WILL push the water out of the way...its why he got right behind him...he was driving in behind the wake of the other car.....when he got out from behind him the wake and wash from the other car and traffic caught up to him....its not that he hit some massive three foot pot hole....and the standing water doesn't have to be that deep....but when you get another car or whatever moving the water.....a wave kicks up which for that moment that it hits you or passes you....yes....the water depth gets VERY deep....that, and the NEED to get out of the house for him was the cause...the #3 part. :{D
August-7th-2002, 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by grim013
Wow, common sense has gone to hell..
Lets try this again....
Nope, still sounds stupid.. Must be a texas thing..
Wow, common sense has gone to hell..
Lets try this again....
Nope, still sounds stupid.. Must be a texas thing..
I just would like to point out. How many places do you know of that actually have water markers on the sides of highways? In some areas they dont. Houston sucks because you might be driving in the rain and you are being careful and all of a sudden whoosh you dive into a puddle. The roads there dip alot and they dont look like they do. When the hurrricane came through last year there were like 300 + cars that drowned in puddles that didnt seem like they sould be very deep at all but they were because the road dipped but you couldnt see it. anyways whatever happens happens.
August-7th-2002, 11:21 AM
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ok, rather than berating everyone (though it is always fun) I think there may be a positive outcome here...
1st, sorry Patio; but you live and learn - life sucks, etc., etc. etc.,
2nd - this really is an insurance problem. Call your agent - Since most insurance companies despise paying out money, THEY may attempt to force Mazda to do warranty work - it would be their problem to explain. However, because this seems to be more or less an "accident" insurance is the logical option.
3rd, if the insurance settles this then you have further options: a) get them to have it repaired at Mazda for warranty purposes; or b) get an estimate from Mazda, have the Insurance give you the cash value, and get it rebuilt somewhere else...
Option "b" allows you to have some nice goodies installed: better cams, pistons etc. perhaps a turbo, etc.. It may cost you more, but, good internals would be a far better improvement than a CAI
1st, sorry Patio; but you live and learn - life sucks, etc., etc. etc.,
2nd - this really is an insurance problem. Call your agent - Since most insurance companies despise paying out money, THEY may attempt to force Mazda to do warranty work - it would be their problem to explain. However, because this seems to be more or less an "accident" insurance is the logical option.
3rd, if the insurance settles this then you have further options: a) get them to have it repaired at Mazda for warranty purposes; or b) get an estimate from Mazda, have the Insurance give you the cash value, and get it rebuilt somewhere else...
Option "b" allows you to have some nice goodies installed: better cams, pistons etc. perhaps a turbo, etc.. It may cost you more, but, good internals would be a far better improvement than a CAI
August-7th-2002, 11:55 AM
#53
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Originally posted by Makaveli
Is this part of the madeup story or the real story? If water was up to the headlights, I doubt that you could move anywhere......
Is this part of the madeup story or the real story? If water was up to the headlights, I doubt that you could move anywhere......
August-7th-2002, 12:33 PM
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People make mistakes, learn from them...
August-7th-2002, 01:25 PM
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lost concept-don't stop flying in airplanes b/c one crashed, so don't stop having fun w/ your car b/c something bad happened to it. Hell some a-hole hit my car yesterday but I'm not gonna stop driving!!!
August-7th-2002, 02:50 PM
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damn, gone for 2 days and this post blows up, lol
1st off Makeveli, youre a moron
Frankd, maybe
anyway, if you read my 2nd post in this topic you'd see that i said "I was tailgating someone so they would splash water out of my way, when i saw a median, so i could do a U-Turn, i got to the U-turn part of the median, and i shouldve stayed there, instead i tryed going across the street to higher land in the parking lot, when i tryed to cross the street, SLOOSH, I hit water that slashed up to my headlights AS I WAS CROSSING THE STREET. I just measured my intakes hieght from the ground up, its less than 1 foot.
I've already started looking into my options, im getting a quote on new rods and work today from a few different shops, I'm looking into forged pistons and rods if i can find some, if not FS-ZE. If its broke, upgrade.
live and learn, this isnt the 1st time my cars been SOL since i got it 4 months ago
Bent Shift Forks, Bent Rods, I always come back faster than before
oh, and that CAI was giving more than a crappy N/A 5 HP gain, hehe
1st off Makeveli, youre a moron
Frankd, maybe
anyway, if you read my 2nd post in this topic you'd see that i said "I was tailgating someone so they would splash water out of my way, when i saw a median, so i could do a U-Turn, i got to the U-turn part of the median, and i shouldve stayed there, instead i tryed going across the street to higher land in the parking lot, when i tryed to cross the street, SLOOSH, I hit water that slashed up to my headlights AS I WAS CROSSING THE STREET. I just measured my intakes hieght from the ground up, its less than 1 foot.
I've already started looking into my options, im getting a quote on new rods and work today from a few different shops, I'm looking into forged pistons and rods if i can find some, if not FS-ZE. If its broke, upgrade.
live and learn, this isnt the 1st time my cars been SOL since i got it 4 months ago
Bent Shift Forks, Bent Rods, I always come back faster than before
oh, and that CAI was giving more than a crappy N/A 5 HP gain, hehe
August-7th-2002, 03:20 PM
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OK, so you have confirmed that just over 1 foot of water is enough to cause 'near fatal' engine drowning with this CAI. On a stock P5 it's more like 2.5 feet (if you could drive in that deep without the engine stalling for other reasons).
While I do sympathise with your plight, it does highlight a risk of such mods (even if this is a small risk, it's an expensive one when it does happen).
Now, for those looking to prevent this problem if they live where flooded roads are common, maybe the bypass valve here would work?
While I do sympathise with your plight, it does highlight a risk of such mods (even if this is a small risk, it's an expensive one when it does happen).
Now, for those looking to prevent this problem if they live where flooded roads are common, maybe the bypass valve here would work?
August-7th-2002, 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by frankd
OK, so you have confirmed that just over 1 foot of water is enough to cause 'near fatal' engine drowning with this CAI. On a stock P5 it's more like 2.5 feet (if you could drive in that deep without the engine stalling for other reasons).
While I do sympathise with your plight, it does highlight a risk of such mods (even if this is a small risk, it's an expensive one when it does happen).
Now, for those looking to prevent this problem if they live where flooded roads are common, maybe the bypass valve here would work?
OK, so you have confirmed that just over 1 foot of water is enough to cause 'near fatal' engine drowning with this CAI. On a stock P5 it's more like 2.5 feet (if you could drive in that deep without the engine stalling for other reasons).
While I do sympathise with your plight, it does highlight a risk of such mods (even if this is a small risk, it's an expensive one when it does happen).
Now, for those looking to prevent this problem if they live where flooded roads are common, maybe the bypass valve here would work?
August-7th-2002, 04:26 PM
#59
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maybe everyone should just get an intake like this guy.. Then we'd be drowned before the engine ever would be...
August-7th-2002, 04:29 PM
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That's a pretty clever idea.