Thank you macdaddy for helping me to discredit HPFreaks some more.

 

What? He didn't argue with what I said though. His information looks to be more inline with what I said than what you did. Same goes for the information Vielster posted. The three of us saying 6-12hp depending if you've got mods to compliment them or not (what we have seen in our own experiences, not just read from other people). Your post states "The intake cam might gain 3hp if you're lucky." Different dynos and different cars show different numbers. There are a number of variables involved here.


Discredit me? In regard to what? All you are doing is quoting what people say and have NO information of your own.

I don't know what your problem is man, but there's no need for your attitude. I'm here to answer questions and see what other people are doing with their cars. Not argue with people.

 

gcs118...

You seem to be reading some bad information. We've sold hundreds of those cams over the past 5 or so years and never had a complaint with power. they have shown in numerous cases to give 8-17 hp depending on application

 

Now that you're here...do you have any dyno sheets to back that up? It'd sure stop this friendly little discussion from getting ugly!

 

I was telling the original poster that from all of my past readings on 3 different Protege forums, over 2 years worth of readings, MOST people found the cam has a negligable, if any, difference, and surely not a 10WHP gain. Show me some dynos. Cork Sport had been claiming a 10-12HP gain per cam for the longest time, and there were many discussions on how this was not true at all. Search and learn.

Also, it's very convenient that Cork Sport created a username now to talk about this...wouldn't you say HPFreak?

 

You know what, I must be a complete idiot to think that was really posted by Corksport.

 

This is Chris from CorkSport. If you don't believe this then please give me a call and ill talk to you about it.

I opened an account here because it was brought to my attention a product we sell was being talked down upon. I came here and found the forum to add my input.

We have had many customers call in after installing the cam telling us that it made a very nice gain. We have never had anyone call saying that it has not made a difference.

If you have any questions about this please give us a call.

 

I have NEVER seen a dyno show that ONE cam was netting 10whp...In fact I have seen on this website baseline dyno's of 103hp and after intake AND exhaust cam,CAI,and 2.5 catback only netted a total gain of like 14-15whp...However all manufacturers overstate gains on performance parts,not just corksport

 

Hey, Chris. I think what we really need is a dyno sheet from you guys proving that the parts you sell do what you say they do. Your willingness to share your experiences with the parts are much appreciated, but I think I speak for a number of people on this forum when I say that there are times when it would be nice to have good, solid numbers from you guys that can be backed up by objective test results. If you can do that, you may just reverse some negative opinions that people have about Corksport on this forum. A lot of us feel that claims are not substantiated with actual data, and that in some cases prices for parts are on the high side. Of course, good numbers and quality products justify slightly higher prices. Thank-you again for involving yourself in this forum.

 

It's been my experience over the years, with racing and street engines that I have both driven and built, that the only real numbers are dyno results. We all have had a cam, an IM, header, etc. that we favored and talked up in our bench racing epics. As time went on, the gains associated with that particular mod tended to grow--at times it more than real numbers could prove.

I, too, have read the various postings on this forum and others re: Mazdaspeed and other cams, both intake and exhaust, that have been tried in the FS-DE, none of which have moved me--yet--to buy them for my P5, which has other mods with some waiting. I simply want to see some more real cam numbers.

The addition of altered cams without other interrelated changes in the intake-exhaust-compression area usually return limited performance increases, based on my experience with a number of different engines, including a host of four-bangers.

Re: the postings here, I take no side, but say only, "Show me the dyno numbers." Every mod done to my engine is dynoed before the next. This is the only way I know--for sure--whether the latest modification is of real performance value.

Butt dynos, and power and torque numbers are without credibility unless there are dyno sheets to back them up, IMO. And that means the same dyno, in the same shop, set up and run by the same tuner, with the dyno SAE-corrected to the identical humidity and temperature values as the initial pulls with a dead-stock engine.

Have a good weekend!

 

So, where's Corksport's data, or at least an update saying to us that it's coming? I hate to say it, but the very criticism they strove to fend off by becoming a member of this forum might be well-deserved...

 

We just got this from a customer yesterday

 

12lb/ft for adding a cam, intake, catback exhaust?? Anyone know what the cost of all that is??

cam $150-ish
Intake $150-ish
catback $500-ish...

I'm sure I'm off a little but you get the idea...

Why not just buy a small dry nitrous kit....hell, even a 30hp shot would produce more than double these gains for $450.

p.s. corksport makes good stuff, just high prices. no offense.

 

I have to be honest and say that I appreciate Cork Sport's data. As for the nitro thing, it's more expensive than that in the long run, because it's pay as you play. And, 450 is going to buy you one basic, nasty dry kit.

Here's a thought: why not buy a nitro kit AND drop in the mods noted above? Even if you were to blow $1500 on engine mods, it's still going to cost a lot less than half of what a decent turbo kit will set you back.

 

Cork Sport, what year and model Protege was that dyno sheet from?