Is it worth it?
August-18th-2002, 12:39 PM
#16
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The FS engine isn't that old, and considering the cost of redesign, I can't see Mazda scraping it! I could be wrong 
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The intake system on the F-motors is very up to date, the only next step is a variable intake system like the BMW rotating drum system has (see recent SCC for info). Mazda did a lot of work making the car a ULEV, that would be incorperated into the design of the engine too. Considering the engine has 9.1:1 CR, it does well for emissions.
If Mazda does add a different motor, I think the 2.0L would be still used as a base motor (The 1.6L engine does well now, but many other cars in the class have larger motors...the trend seem to be.)
Corolla 1.8L, Focus 2.0L, Neon 2.0L, Sentra 1.8L even the Saturn SLs 1.9L
A few cars have smaller motors, like the Esteem, Hyundai, Civic etc. The only one with less than 1.6L to be worried about is the Civic.
Just my .02!
.The intake system on the F-motors is very up to date, the only next step is a variable intake system like the BMW rotating drum system has (see recent SCC for info). Mazda did a lot of work making the car a ULEV, that would be incorperated into the design of the engine too. Considering the engine has 9.1:1 CR, it does well for emissions.
If Mazda does add a different motor, I think the 2.0L would be still used as a base motor (The 1.6L engine does well now, but many other cars in the class have larger motors...the trend seem to be.)
Corolla 1.8L, Focus 2.0L, Neon 2.0L, Sentra 1.8L even the Saturn SLs 1.9L
A few cars have smaller motors, like the Esteem, Hyundai, Civic etc. The only one with less than 1.6L to be worried about is the Civic.
Just my .02!
August-18th-2002, 12:50 PM
#17
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The coming Mazda 3 will be Ford Focus based product so i guess there might be big changes this time, not just a face-lift.
Will they use current trannys, i don't know but if you're buying a Protege DO IT NOW
Anyway Focus and Mazda 3 will be built on a same base plate and this plate allows using 4wd technic.
Here's one source , though it's now saying anything
Will they use current trannys, i don't know but if you're buying a Protege DO IT NOW
Anyway Focus and Mazda 3 will be built on a same base plate and this plate allows using 4wd technic.
Here's one source , though it's now saying anything
August-18th-2002, 02:30 PM
#18
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Quote in Mazdausa site...
The 2.0L is the new standard for the protege line for a few more years...No more 1.5, 1.6 or 1.8 will show again. This is good for us, lots of this engine running around...more aftermarket support.
>> Soulful performance: Power and handling come standard, with a 2.0-liter 130-hp engine, rack-and-pinion steering, independent strut suspension, and a manual 5-speed transmission.
Now standard on all Mazda Protegés, the 2.0-liter 4-cylinder engine delivers 130 hp and 135 lb-ft of torque. It helps give the Protegé very responsive acceleration and all-around satisfying performance. The engine also meets strict ULEV (Ultra-Low Emissions Vehicle) standards.
August-20th-2002, 01:01 PM
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Wow!
Lots more feed back than i really expected.
Good job guys.
I tihnk that im going to shoot for the 2003 model close out, before if possible, but i forsee a lot of expenses this year allready coming up.
but at any rate, i do agree with the idea that this year will be a large model change. it really is due one right about now, and seeing as it is supposedly going to have new chassis (ford thing) and a possible new engine upgrade (new mazda6 thing) and new body, or prolly just a body change, im thinking 2002-3 model would be ther best.
plus who can refuse a sunroof, 6 disc package on a laser blue stick?
plus i figure that the aftermarket wil catch up some what, and i expect to see some half-way decent aftermarke parts, plus we allready know that the 2.0l can go turbo, and it doesnt seem like there was tooo much extra added to the engine to make it compatable. though since im no mechanic i dont really know for sure.
so i suppose its a 2003 for me.
Lots more feed back than i really expected.
Good job guys.
I tihnk that im going to shoot for the 2003 model close out, before if possible, but i forsee a lot of expenses this year allready coming up.
but at any rate, i do agree with the idea that this year will be a large model change. it really is due one right about now, and seeing as it is supposedly going to have new chassis (ford thing) and a possible new engine upgrade (new mazda6 thing) and new body, or prolly just a body change, im thinking 2002-3 model would be ther best.
plus who can refuse a sunroof, 6 disc package on a laser blue stick?
plus i figure that the aftermarket wil catch up some what, and i expect to see some half-way decent aftermarke parts, plus we allready know that the 2.0l can go turbo, and it doesnt seem like there was tooo much extra added to the engine to make it compatable. though since im no mechanic i dont really know for sure.
so i suppose its a 2003 for me.
August-20th-2002, 06:09 PM
#20
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Just remember this:
The Honda Civic and Acura RSX are built on the same platform.
The Honda Accord and Acura 3.2T/CL are built on the same platform.
The Ford Thunderbird and Lincoln LS and Jaguar S-Type are on the same platform (S-Type R!!!!).
Lots of Japanese luxury cars are built off of vehicles from the division below.
Sorry but I just can't think of any better examples than these of how different two cars can be that are built on the same platform. It is not necessarily a bad thing for us to move to a Focus platform. It could be a good thing for us and a great thing for the Focus (bye bye escort platform pos).
But I will say this. The 2.0L will more likely than not disappear with the next generation Protege. It will either do that or become a base engine. Look at how long we followed the 626 base beforehand (1.8L and 2.0L both from 626 2.0L). Its cheaper to just have 1 engine in the States and detune it for the Protege than to have 2 different engines to build and ship. Especially considering how draconian our emissions requirements are compared to other countries.
The Honda Civic and Acura RSX are built on the same platform.
The Honda Accord and Acura 3.2T/CL are built on the same platform.
The Ford Thunderbird and Lincoln LS and Jaguar S-Type are on the same platform (S-Type R!!!!).
Lots of Japanese luxury cars are built off of vehicles from the division below.
Sorry but I just can't think of any better examples than these of how different two cars can be that are built on the same platform. It is not necessarily a bad thing for us to move to a Focus platform. It could be a good thing for us and a great thing for the Focus (bye bye escort platform pos).
But I will say this. The 2.0L will more likely than not disappear with the next generation Protege. It will either do that or become a base engine. Look at how long we followed the 626 base beforehand (1.8L and 2.0L both from 626 2.0L). Its cheaper to just have 1 engine in the States and detune it for the Protege than to have 2 different engines to build and ship. Especially considering how draconian our emissions requirements are compared to other countries.
August-22nd-2002, 01:09 AM
#21
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i don't know much about the focus platform but the triple H design on our Pro's makes for a great car. I just think Ford should keeps it's little hands out of mazda. it's one thing to make the Focus better, it's another to make the Pro worse.
August-22nd-2002, 08:44 AM
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having the focus platform doesnt nescesarily mean a bad thing, i just worry about it being of the best quality on the first run out.
i owned a ford personally, and didnt have many problems with it, other than the tires (firestone recall) and the seatbelts (ford recall), but my parents have owned several fords. the were early '90s models granted, but the were just of terrible awefull poor build quality. also ive know a few people to have lots of trouble with their mustangs.
im not saying this is the case in all ford's aspects, i mean i choose ford over gm any day regardless of which one really has the better build. i just worry that ford wont do a great job.
i owned a ford personally, and didnt have many problems with it, other than the tires (firestone recall) and the seatbelts (ford recall), but my parents have owned several fords. the were early '90s models granted, but the were just of terrible awefull poor build quality. also ive know a few people to have lots of trouble with their mustangs.
im not saying this is the case in all ford's aspects, i mean i choose ford over gm any day regardless of which one really has the better build. i just worry that ford wont do a great job.
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