2003ProtegeES

I just installed a Alpine HU (7893 ) And i think thinking about getting a D class Alpine amp and a 10 or 12 inch Infinity Kappa or Kappa Perfect sub.

Your thoughts?

1st MP3 in NH

Nice stuff. Godd for SQ, terrible for SPL.

maxxbling

You again???
(1) 2000 GMC Sierra Extended cab.
(4) Alpine SWR-1541D's
(4) Alpine MRD-M500's
(1) 12ft^3 vented enclosure (33 hz, 165 in^2 vent area) in the bed ported through to the cab.
159.4 db
WIFE'S CAR=
2002 Protege 5
Custom MAXXBLING fiberglass box. (sealed)
(1)Alpine SWR-1241D
(1)MTX Thunder 4250D
136.3 db
Once again you shouldn't bash on stuff that you don't know anything about.
Oh, and yes I am a professional MECP certified first class installer. I do this for a living and have done so for over 10 years and I am an IASCA Pro competitor so it is not a "bullshit" number if that's what you were thinking.
To all who are reading this post and are like ,"Is maxx having a bad day or something?" I've just about had it with this guy and his narrow minded view of what equipment is nice or even acceptable to put in one's car.
http://www.msprotege.com/vbb225/show...5&pagenumber=1
I rest my case.

1st MP3 in NH

I state my experience as do you. Alpine has been lacking in SPL with our install and those I have seen and tested.

Once again as an installer you should know that the install makes the most difference. You should also know that most of the board members aren't of the installation capacity that you are.

Why do my opinions on audio bother you so much, where you not held as a child?




If peoples simple opinions and experience bothers you this much maybe you should seek some professional help.

maxxbling

You state your opinions as if they were fact rather than giving people information that they would need to make an educated decision. I fear that since you are a (and I use this term loosely)
professional installer that people will make poor choices based on what you have to say. If you and the team of folks that you work with are having so much bad luck with gear that is working well for the rest of the world, maybe you're not the people that others want to take advice from.
Oh and you've got me all figured out. Because of my unloving childhood I secretly plotted to one day have my revenge. Then one day I was bitten by a radio-active set of speakers and became super installer. I fight for truth, justice, and to make sure other people don't listen to ignorant douchebags.

1st MP3 in NH

An opinion is an opinion especialyy in audio you should know that.
As far as me finding better alternatives to Alpine for SPL, I think you could find a few yourself.

You should realy read up more on me before making generalizations. This post asked for an opion. It didn't say write a thesis with 3 examples of factual support.

As far as calling em a douchbag, keep it coming Sweetie I can take all you got.

maxxbling

If you would prefer a different pet-name just let me know.

1st MP3 in NH

Anything you like Shnookems

maxxbling

I'would think that you of all people who post here would know that 159.4 is more than twice as loud as 155. Bottom line is: Mine's still louder and I'm using Alpine, which makes the comment about Alpine being terrible for SPL untrue. If alpine is so terrible for SPL according to 1st MP3 in NH yet my Alpine setup is more than twice as loud as your planned system, what does that make your gear?
I never said that Alpine subs were the be all end all sub for SPL. They are, however, far from terrible.
Oh, and as for the system in my WIFE'S P5 the sub box is 1 ft^3 sealed and has the smallest class d sub amp that MTX makes running it. This is also a sealed up on the dash number. It is just something that I put in the car for her to enjoy and for me not to go nuts when I drive her car. The box also takes up only about 4" of usable cargo space, which was the main design goal of her system. She can still get to the spare and carry a full load of groceries. Oh, and her box has carpet on it and you can't see any of the wires. (saw some of the pics of your system) Under these circumstances, I think that 136.3 is pretty respectable for any woofer, including Alpine. I doubt that the woofer system you refer to could meet all of these criteria and still put up 143.2 for the money that the type-r 12" cost me. I buy it for about $82.00. Granted, I get it for cost, but I understand that you also have the hookup on equipment. Take it for what you will, but I think Alpine's product deserves a little more credit than saying that it is terrible.

maxxbling

I'would think that you of all people who post here would know that 159.4 is more than twice as loud as 155. Bottom line is: Mine's still louder and I'm using Alpine, which makes the comment about Alpine being terrible for SPL untrue. If alpine is so terrible for SPL according to 1st MP3 in NH yet my Alpine setup is more than twice as loud as your planned system, what does that make your gear?
I never said that Alpine subs were the be all end all sub for SPL. They are, however, far from terrible.
Oh, and as for the system in my WIFE'S P5 the sub box is 1 ft^3 sealed and has the smallest class d sub amp that MTX makes running it. This is also a sealed up on the dash number. It is just something that I put in the car for her to enjoy and for me not to go nuts when I drive her car. The box also takes up only about 4" of usable cargo space, which was the main design goal of her system. She can still get to the spare and carry a full load of groceries. Oh, and her box has carpet on it and you can't see any of the wires. (saw some of the pics of your system) Under these circumstances, I think that 136.3 is pretty respectable for any woofer, including Alpine. I doubt that the woofer system you refer to could meet all of these criteria and still put up 143.2 for the money that the type-r 12" cost me. I buy it for about $82.00. Granted, I get it for cost, but I understand that you also have the hookup on equipment. Take it for what you will, but I think Alpine's product deserves a little more credit than saying that it is terrible.

1st MP3 in NH

2 great examples of why I love Blue. Nice work.

This is taken Directly for ICIA, they are the sanctioning body for education in the commercial and industrial A/V world.

Just some info:

The human range of perceptible loudness, or dynamic range (The highest and lowest potential signal levels on a given device.), is from 0 dBSPL (the threshold
of hearing) through 120 dBSPL (the threshold of pain). The smallest change perceivable to most people is 1 dBSPL; and a change of 10dBSPL is subjectively or apparently about twice as loud or soft.

However, severe physical damage would occur if the sound was any louder than 120 decibels. A common audio tape has a range of 50 decibels, and a compact disc has a range of a little over 90 decibels. The human range of perceptible loudness, or dynamic range, from 0 dB through 120 dB is actually a ratio of 1 to 10,000,000.

The measure of how we hear loudness is referred to as apparent loudness, because it is a measure of how perceptible these changes seem.

A change of 3 dBSPL is just barely perceptible.
A change of 6 dBSPL is clearly noticeable. This correlates to a halving or doubling of the distance between the listener and the source.

An increase of 3 dB is equivalent to a doubling of sound intensity.

Nicholasp27

alpine amps are overpriced

unless u are gonna spend lots of money on jl amps, u'd be better off with us acoustics or cadence amps

even if u have money for jl amps, i'd get a us acoustics and with money I save, buy some active xovers, cause the reason jl amps are so good are their xovers, which aren't as good as some active xovers would be

for performance-for-the-buck u should stay away from most in-store brands

the only mainstream instore brand that can hang with higher-end equipment is jl, which is over priced

i'd stay away from alpine, kenwood, pioneer, fosgate, kicker, crunch, sony (definitely xplod!!!), infinity, etc because there are better products for less available (for speakers, amps, etc...alpine hus and processors are great..so are pioneer's)

5SpeedP5

damn, we need more of these arguements going on! I learn more about car audio and crap by reading these things, that asking questions or reading lame posts!

WERRRRDD

but good job blue, you're pretty respectable in my book when it comes to car audio..... but thats just me

5SpeedP5

hehe, thats why i always read your posts makes me wonder how foxy puts up with ya lol

but yea ive learned more from your arguements than anything else! keep it up, maybe sometime ill have the chance to argue with you my self

TooLoPro

Can I play too? Alpine builds an awesome product that performs great in spl and even better in Sound Q. This is from my Alpine Rep. Of course he'd say that. Personally, I love their decks and amps. I think their subs and speaker's are a little high priced for the general public. You can get as good for less. However, if you're fortunate enough to work for a dealer (like I do), the Jobber price is worth it. Let's play nice now kiddies