Hey i was thinking of getting a 50 shot for my p5 the only problem is my FS-DE motor has been converted into a FS-ZE with 11.9.1 high compression pistons. I want to install a 50 shot but i was told by a few people that i would blow my headgasket after a few squirts. Is there a way i can program my E6K to give less fuel when i squirt so it does'nt go BOOM. My p5 runs low 15s all day on stock wheels im trying to get into the 14s. What do you guys think. look below for my current mods if there is anything else besides turbo you think will make my car go faster let me know. I basically have everything except a header wich should shave a few tenths. Holla back. Oh i almost forgot to mention i spanked a GS-R yesterday by about half a car you should of seen the grin on my face. I hav'nt dynoed my car yet but i'm geusstimating it puts out between 170 and 180 Hp. It runs very rich though.

 

#1 NOS is a company, you can't company your engine

#2 Less fuel is what makes your engine go boom. When you run lean, things get hot, then they melt.

I'm not a professional at this, but I wouldn't do, anyone else know better?

BTW, you're only running 15's with all that? You severly wasted your money if that's it. Running 11.9:1, with a tuned E6K. You should be in the low 13's easy. I personally have never seen you back up anything you have put in your car. I have a couple friends in Miami who could race you if you're up to it.

 

you may be able to run a light shot but less fuel,no way...with N20 you need more fuel not less,or you get detonation,just like Forced Induction...you may want to get those pistons shot peened though for extra strength...I think the Nitrous on top of the high compression could be too much even for J-Spec pistons

 

a low 15 sounds about right for the mods and HP you have

I dunno about high compression and nitrous though


I just asked my friend that owns a shop, he said as long as its a wet shot, you'll be fine

if your car runs rich, the nitrous will lean it out, and i know our cars do run rich, so good luck, just dont get the purple pos, get NX!!

sounds like me and you would be a good run as we are

 

Hey im not a professional either and thats why i am asking these questions. As for running high 13s with the mods i already have ****, i need to go talk to the tech who tuned my E6K and have him make some adjustments cause my car is not running 13s. Like i said im guessing its running low 15s it could be running high 14s but i could not tell you honestly for the simple fact i have not run it down the quarter yet. This is also why i am posting because with all i've done to my p5 i also beleive it should be running faster. I know how to buy the parts not tune them thats what shops are for. Forget the 50 shot if i could get it to run 13s the way it is now. I can live with 13s. But i find it hard to believe it could run that fast even when properly tuned. Or maybe i dont know what my set up is capable of. Damn dude 13s, you got me thinking real hard rite now. Maybe something isnt properly tuned or something. it seems to be running perfect though. What do i know. As for back up, i,m going to take my car in to see if i can get more power out of it if what you say is true about 13s. then the only back up your boys down here in miami are going to see is the back of my p5 when they get smoked I only race all motor cars tell your peeps with the happy gas and turbos to stay away i cant hang with them YET.

 

I dont think youll be hitting 13's all motor, just cuz you have haltech doesnt mean your car will be blazing down the 1/4 at incredible speeds

 

I dont think so either thats why i want a fifty shot. The haltech E6k can only do so much. Maybe mid 14s with the mods i have now plus a header.

 

That is my opinion on what i think you should be hitting, I think you should be in 13's with that high of a compression ratio and a standalone. I have heard of those that are going to run only 10.7:1 pistons and expect to hit in the 14's.

I just say, since you obviously have the means to get these mods done, do some more tuning, get all you can out of those. Care to meet up witha couple of my guys down there sometime?

 

all i have to say is....

where did you get 11.9:1 pistons!?! the MS and FS-ZE sets are like 10.7:1 and 10.5:1. what... you have someone build them up?

 

Hey ambient thanks for your reply i respect your opinion and your knowledge wich makes me wonder if i can really make my car run as fast as you say. Your rite about it being a waste of money if im not able to yield my motors full potential with all the mods i've added.It runs very hard the way its tuned now. I've beaten a lot of cars i thought i didnt stand a chance against such as Si's GS-R's SE-R's (not the V SPEC) hav'nt pulled up next to one at a light yet.almost beat an RSX-type-s he got me by a car wich is not bad considering my car started out with 130hp and his has 200hp a 1.8T golf gti 150hp not the new 2002 180hp and a couple other rice rockets. Its funny because they all swear my car doesnt run and then they get wooped and feel stupid. Its the best feeling. C'mon you got a turbo in your ES you know what its like for some reason people think protege's cant run and then you put it on them and thier like WTF. My car is a sleeper it looks completely stock except for the rims and lower stance and my muffler sticking out the back.

 

I got my 11.9.1 pistons from a guy who used to own a probe with the fs-ze motor he was heavily modifying his motor also but was not able to install the pistons because he wrecked his car on I-95 . He paid like 1000 bucks for them and sold them to me for 400 hundred bucks is that a deal or what to bad for him though.

 

First off, drop the Millenia 17" wheels. They look cool, but they are too heavy and too big for your engine's torque. Remember, the engine has to turn them before power gets to the ground. What is your suspension tuning like? I see you have chopped springs, which isn't really the best. I know you want fast straight line times, but you would be surprised what a good tuned suspension can do. The Protege's suspension is too soft in the rear allowing too much squat. When the car squats, you are taking traction away from your front wheels. This is why RWD cars are the best for pure acceleration.

Another thing... start dropping weight. The Protege5 is heavier than the sedans, so you already start off at a disadvantage. Lighter wheels, lighter brakes, lighter mechanicals, lighter interior, etc. Every ounce counts when you are timing by hundredths of a second.

-Jerry

 

Continuing from my last post...

If you have determined you can't get a whole lot more power out of your engine, then concentrate on weight reduction and efficiency.

If you take out your back seats, passenger seat, rear cover, carpeting, and sound insulation, you are probably saving close to 150 pounds. Remove your air conditioning and power steering systems, you probably have another 50-75 pounds. Remove your radio and speakers, probably another 20 pounds. That's a weight savings of over 200 pounds. Notice how much slower your car is with another person in it? Imagine what you can do with 200+ pounds less. How about a light weight racing seat with 5-point harness?

For efficiency, removing the air conditioning and power steering systems will mean more power to the ground. No, it's not any extra horsepower the engine is creating, but it's less horsepower that the engine is losing. How about running some underdrive pullies? These will help efficiency by putting less strain on the engine.

How far do you want to go? You can replace body panels with fiber glass, aluminium, or carbon fiber. You can replace glass windows with Lexan windows. You can remove some unnecessary extras like your side skirts and rear spoiler. Remove the window mechanisms? Door panels? Interior panels? Fog lights?

Look at the Lotus Elise. It is powered by a 1.8L DOHC I-4 with 120hp and 122 ft-lbs. However, it runs 14.1@91mph. It's big secret is its weight of only 1,550 pounds. Your car puts out a whole lot more power, but weighs (stock) over 1,700 pounds more! Start shaving off the weight and watch your 1/4 times drop.

-Jerry

 

I have the H&R springs with one coil cut off in the front.Do you really think they are hurting my luanch i have no wheel hop or anything just alot of peeling out. my car is very easy to burn out now with the lighter flywheel and cluth setup. My next big mod will be a limited slip but thats not for a few more months mazda motorsports want close to 1000$ bucks for it.As for my millenia wheels they are only three pounds heavier than my stock wheels yet the diameter is the same with 205/40/17 compared to my 195/16/50 stock wheel. the acceleration feels almost exactly the same. When i take my car to track im going to run it with some 215/45/15s maybe that will help a little.

 

back top the topic, yes you can run nitrous and a high compression ratio as long as you run a Wet Shot, I say NX Kit with a 50 Shot Wet will do you fine, upgrade your clutch, or if you already have an upgraded clutch go ahead and jet it for a 75, Bigger Injectors and a Higher Flow Fuel Pump, 100 shot.

The engine block and head are IRON in case yall forgot, no aluminum honda bullshit here. it can take a lickin and keep on tickin!