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Old July-15th-2003 | 03:33 PM
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Autocrossing the P5

I took my P5 to an autocross Sunday and was impressed on how well it did, even with the crummy stock tires and lack of horsepower.

I would like to know of anyone is aware of the P5 being campaigned nationally or regionally in Solo II, and if so, what brand and size of autocross tires they run.

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Old July-15th-2003 | 04:18 PM
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If you can, go find the December 2002 issue of Grassroots Motorsports. They did a full write-up on Proteges, including someone that I believe is a member of this forum that used to drive one competitively in STS.
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Originally posted by ScottMSP
If you can, go find the December 2002 issue of Grassroots Motorsports. They did a full write-up on Proteges, including someone that I believe is a member of this forum that used to drive one competitively in STS.
You are correct, that member would be one of our most loved and hated moderators, Jesse (PsuedoRealityX)
Old July-15th-2003 | 09:45 PM
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You are correct, that member would be one of our most loved and hated moderators, Jesse (PsuedoRealityX)
yes indeed.

And former SCCA National Champ Steve Brolliar ran an H stock Protege 5 at a local event and beat many Stock, Prepared, and even Race class cars.
Old July-16th-2003 | 09:46 AM
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Autocrossing the P5

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yes indeed.

And former SCCA National Champ Steve Brolliar ran an H stock Protege 5 at a local event and beat many Stock, Prepared, and even Race class cars.

Yes, I remember Steve. He almost won the E stock National Championship in an early 90's Protege back around 1994 or so.

I use to autocross quite a bit back in the early and mid nineties. I'm just now getting back into it. I'm trying to decide between my P5 and my 93 Vette. Upon first glance the Vette would be the obvious choice. But I would need a trailer for the extra set of tires and wheels. With the P5, I can just fold down the seats and put them in back.
Also, the Vette is an automatic, which takes away some of the fun factor.
Old July-16th-2003 | 12:12 PM
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I also autoxx in my P5, look in the motorsport section on ideas for tires, setup, etc.
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if I were you, I'd just get a set of Falken Azenis, toss them on the stock rims, and call it a day.
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX


Brolliar is AMAZING...definately one of the best ever.
Indeed, it was a pleasure just to watch him drive.

P.S. Jesse, I made need your help with building up an Improved Touring car. Once it's built, it'll be used in autocross for a season so I can get used to the car, make any needed adjustments or changes, and so I can get my SCCA license. I'll just need your input as things start coming along, but I'll keep you posted.
Old July-17th-2003 | 08:50 PM
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I think the P5 would be just as competitive as the Vette in their respective classes. The P5 would probably be cheaper to race than the Vette - Less on tires.
All depending on how competitively you would like to be and what kind of budget you are on. I could give you some recommendations for parts, alignment, and other setup stuff.
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Jason,

Thanks for the reply.

I would really like to race competitively again, so if that means spending some money on the car, so be it.

I'm not much of a mechanic, but I'm willing to learn. Trying to do my own alignment might be a pain though.
Old July-18th-2003 | 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by PseudoRealityX
Jas00x on this board is Jason Minehart, who took his 2000 ES to a 5th place trophy position 2 years ago in Topeka in H-stock. He's now in the process of building the car up for STS/X.

Definately a wealth of knowledge to be had from him on the 3rd gens. The P5 is going to be about the same, with a bit more weight on the rear, and even more torque than the FP in Jason's car.

The car CAN trophy at Nationals...you just gotta setup it up right.

My thoughts after driving the car at ~4 events, including a Divisional, and something Jason never got around to trying... BIG front sway bar. Use rear toe to control the balance of the car. Jason's struts were spot-on. Custom valved bilsteins from AWR. No adjustability though, which may have hurt him.

As for tires, this is a question of just how serious you want to be...

Hooisers ARE faster on the car. BUT, they are almost double the cost per run when you come right down to it.

You should be able to get the 215/40 on there without issues, and I'd TRY the 225/50 upfront and the 215s in back if you can get them to not rub. Jason's 00 ES ran 15s and he ran 225s upfront and 205s in the rear. Car was very predictable, turn-in on a dime, and stopped like no other car ive driven.


Thanks for the reply.

Do you have a guesstimate on how long the Hoosiers are good for, as in how many runs?
Old July-18th-2003 | 06:54 PM
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Re: Autocrossing the P5

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Yes, I remember Steve. He almost won the E stock National Championship in an early 90's Protege back around 1994 or so.
Actually, it was in '92 and '93. In '92, it was with his wife's '92, and he was 2nd or 3rd behind Bob Tunnell in his Jetta (one of my local competitors at the time). In '93, he was going to be running in a 318is, but his co-driver, Erik, rolled the car (damned rear-suspension!!) at the Pro Finale, so out came the wife's Protege again, and he was 3rd behind T.C. Kline and Bob Tunnell, both in 318is'.

Having autocrossed my '90 since May of '90, I've tried to follow Proteges on the National scene (of course, from '93-'98, that was mostly me ).

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The hoosiers are good for about 45 runs.
I ran 225's on the front, and 205's in back- so I usually bought fronts and flipped the rears around then. (the rears last a while).
If you are just setting up the car- just get Kumhos for seat time and setup practice- then run the Hoosiers for Divisionals and Nationals.

If you are serious about building up the car- I would recommend some Double adjustable Konis built by Tri-Point for the rear. The fronts, you can probably skimp on and only get Single Adjustables. But if you've got the money, I'd go for DA's all the way around. more to tune with. The key is getting good rear shocks. You'll want them valved to be VERY stiff.

Later,
Old July-23rd-2003 | 09:54 AM
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Thanks Jason
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Let's not forget this guy...


He may not be an autoxer, but he definately races his Protege
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