finally saw the new GTO
April-19th-2004 | 02:15 PM
#63
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 93
The GTO is crap, Here's WHY:
1.) Boring Style - No opinion here, it's plain. Period.
2.) No true twin exhaust - Looks like nothing from the rear.
3.) Blink too fast and you'd sware it was a Grand Am.
4.) Colors are boring
5.) Interior is unbelievable and boring. Plain, flat, nothing special.
6.) Built from a catera pretty much, which SUCKED! They stopped making it.
7.) No emotion - NO ONE looks at that thing and goes "WOW LOOK AT THAT, IT'S the NEW GTO!"
8.) Gets lost in a parking lot.
9.) Phone Company Fleet car.
10.) Made from a DECADE old platform.
11.) Almost NO options
12.) Rest reminder is STUPID!
13.) Shifting is sloppy, same crappy 1 to 4 ship shift as in the vette
14.) CRAPPY brakes 185 feet stop from 70!!! lol
15.) JOKE tires. Way way to small.
16.) Almost 4000 lbs! needs a diet!
17.) Center of Grav way off from center.
18.) Quality very poor compaired to others.
1.) Boring Style - No opinion here, it's plain. Period.
2.) No true twin exhaust - Looks like nothing from the rear.
3.) Blink too fast and you'd sware it was a Grand Am.
4.) Colors are boring
5.) Interior is unbelievable and boring. Plain, flat, nothing special.
6.) Built from a catera pretty much, which SUCKED! They stopped making it.
7.) No emotion - NO ONE looks at that thing and goes "WOW LOOK AT THAT, IT'S the NEW GTO!"
8.) Gets lost in a parking lot.
9.) Phone Company Fleet car.
10.) Made from a DECADE old platform.
11.) Almost NO options
12.) Rest reminder is STUPID!
13.) Shifting is sloppy, same crappy 1 to 4 ship shift as in the vette
14.) CRAPPY brakes 185 feet stop from 70!!! lol
15.) JOKE tires. Way way to small.
16.) Almost 4000 lbs! needs a diet!
17.) Center of Grav way off from center.
18.) Quality very poor compaired to others.
April-19th-2004 | 02:40 PM
#65
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Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 4,150
From: Tampa,Fl
I told you he needed to be banned Rod. I've seen his type on the board before. They join just to bash. Here's why I don't like the GTO. Australian transplant. That would be like saying I want to build the Roadrunner again..lets take a Stratus and drop in a V8...yes it would be ugly but who cares, it's a midsize with a big engine, so it's a reproduction of an old muscle car ! How about using the new Grand Prix chassis, use some styling cues from the original GTO, and bring back that 454...that would be a great GTO!
April-19th-2004 | 03:17 PM
#67
The man behind the mask
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,572
From: Birmingham, AL
What you can read should be more than enough!!
I agree Macdaddy...like I said from post #1, too little too late.
I can only imagine the GTO is supposed to replace the F-body and compete against the next gen 'Stangs....aint gonna happen. I equate the performance/attitude of the GTO to the Taurus SHO...it's just a midsize car with bland styling and a hot engine. My old pc wallpaper used to be the C&D review of the 1989 SHO...
"The best car you can buy for under $50K".....that was in 1989 too!! Inside it had stat-for-stat comparison of the 89 SHO and the 89 'Vette....wanna guess who won?
That's what we're seeing today.....a sedan (sized) car with a slight upscale feel and a large motor competing against sports cars....it may hold it's own now, but when the new stangs come out it's all over....should be about another few months now and we'll know for sure.
I agree Macdaddy...like I said from post #1, too little too late.
I can only imagine the GTO is supposed to replace the F-body and compete against the next gen 'Stangs....aint gonna happen. I equate the performance/attitude of the GTO to the Taurus SHO...it's just a midsize car with bland styling and a hot engine. My old pc wallpaper used to be the C&D review of the 1989 SHO...
"The best car you can buy for under $50K".....that was in 1989 too!! Inside it had stat-for-stat comparison of the 89 SHO and the 89 'Vette....wanna guess who won?
That's what we're seeing today.....a sedan (sized) car with a slight upscale feel and a large motor competing against sports cars....it may hold it's own now, but when the new stangs come out it's all over....should be about another few months now and we'll know for sure.
April-19th-2004 | 03:18 PM
#68
The man behind the mask
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 11,572
From: Birmingham, AL
Originally posted by macdaddyslomo
I told you he needed to be banned Rod. I've seen his type on the board before. They join just to bash.
I told you he needed to be banned Rod. I've seen his type on the board before. They join just to bash.
April-19th-2004 | 04:36 PM
#69
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Originally posted by II-Savy
The GTO is crap, Here's WHY:
1.) Boring Style - No opinion here, it's plain. Period.
2.) No true twin exhaust - Looks like nothing from the rear.
3.) Blink too fast and you'd sware it was a Grand Am.
4.) Colors are boring
5.) Interior is unbelievable and boring. Plain, flat, nothing special.
6.) Built from a catera pretty much, which SUCKED! They stopped making it.
7.) No emotion - NO ONE looks at that thing and goes "WOW LOOK AT THAT, IT'S the NEW GTO!"
8.) Gets lost in a parking lot.
9.) Phone Company Fleet car.
10.) Made from a DECADE old platform.
11.) Almost NO options
12.) Rest reminder is STUPID!
13.) Shifting is sloppy, same crappy 1 to 4 ship shift as in the vette
14.) CRAPPY brakes 185 feet stop from 70!!! lol
15.) JOKE tires. Way way to small.
16.) Almost 4000 lbs! needs a diet!
17.) Center of Grav way off from center.
18.) Quality very poor compaired to others.
The GTO is crap, Here's WHY:
1.) Boring Style - No opinion here, it's plain. Period.
2.) No true twin exhaust - Looks like nothing from the rear.
3.) Blink too fast and you'd sware it was a Grand Am.
4.) Colors are boring
5.) Interior is unbelievable and boring. Plain, flat, nothing special.
6.) Built from a catera pretty much, which SUCKED! They stopped making it.
7.) No emotion - NO ONE looks at that thing and goes "WOW LOOK AT THAT, IT'S the NEW GTO!"
8.) Gets lost in a parking lot.
9.) Phone Company Fleet car.
10.) Made from a DECADE old platform.
11.) Almost NO options
12.) Rest reminder is STUPID!
13.) Shifting is sloppy, same crappy 1 to 4 ship shift as in the vette
14.) CRAPPY brakes 185 feet stop from 70!!! lol
15.) JOKE tires. Way way to small.
16.) Almost 4000 lbs! needs a diet!
17.) Center of Grav way off from center.
18.) Quality very poor compaired to others.
2. It is a TRUE dual. Because it doesn't have exhausts on each side means nothing.
3. Opinon but ok.
4. Colors are boring? Well that is subjective. Have you seen any of them up close? What is an exciting color? White?
5. BS. GTO interior has been praised as the best out of GM.
6. Is that why the Monaro has won the Bathhurst 24 2 years in a row against Lambo's and Ferrari's? Yea, crappy. LOL
7. Yea, cops see it and don't go WHOA. Some people like the sleeper look.
8. It does? You own one and you can't find it in a parking lot?
9. Whatever. LOL That the best you can come up with?
10. You already said it. DUH
11. Which options would you like? Makes for easy ordering.
12. another DUH!
13. You've driven one? HOw would you know? Skip shift is easily defeatable. See those who have owned LS1 6spd cars know that.
14. Compared to what? it stops 13 feet shorter than a $70K mercedes.
15. Compared to what again? THey are the same a Mach1.
16. I would agree, but it is only 3700lbs
17. How do you come up with that professor?
18. YOu must only read Car and Driver. Every other car magazine that has tested the car has said the complete opposite.
April-19th-2004 | 04:55 PM
#70
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 93
1. Opinion. The WS6 was wild. How did it sell? Oh right....
Wasn't the WS6 just a package you could get on crappy f bodies?
2. It is a TRUE dual. Because it doesn't have exhausts on each side means nothing.
It does mean something, the real GTO had normal dual exhaust.
3. Opinon but ok.
yea ok cause it does look real close to it.
4. Colors are boring? Well that is subjective. Have you seen any of them up close? What is an exciting color? White?
dishwater-dull, battleship-gray
5. BS. GTO interior has been praised as the best out of GM.
Thin plastic, cheap interior *****
6. Is that why the Monaro has won the Bathhurst 24 2 years in a row against Lambo's and Ferrari's? Yea, crappy. LOL
Those are race prepared cars, not something off the showroom, irrelevant.
7. Yea, cops see it and don't go WHOA. Some people like the sleeper look.
Most people don't. sleeper look>read boring car.
8. It does? You own one and you can't find it in a parking lot?
Yes it does, plain color, plain shape. No excitment.
9. Whatever. LOL That the best you can come up with?
yes, the best, I'm not sure if "whatever lol" is a retort or opinion.
10. You already said it. DUH
No I did not. Decade old, is DUH the opinion?
11. Which options would you like? Makes for easy ordering.
There Are NO options, that's what happends when you take only 17 weeks to production.
12. another DUH!
again no comment here, I commented on the tree that pops to remind you to rest, it's stupid.
13. You've driven one? HOw would you know? Skip shift is easily defeatable. See those who have owned LS1 6spd cars know that.
I have not driven one. I can read. I believe what testers say sometimes, it's not a solid feel shifter, there are much smoother out there, fact.
14. Compared to what? it stops 13 feet shorter than a $70K mercedes.
Compared to nothing, 185 feet is long period.
15. Compared to what again? THey are the same a Mach1.
the vette which has the same power.
16. I would agree, but it is only 3700lbs
Nope it's over 3800
17. How do you come up with that professor?
Known fact, they had to move the gas tank so it wouldn't pop like a pinto, fact
18. YOu must only read Car and Driver. Every other car magazine that has tested the car has said the complete opposite.
Car and driver mag is the best.
Wasn't the WS6 just a package you could get on crappy f bodies?
2. It is a TRUE dual. Because it doesn't have exhausts on each side means nothing.
It does mean something, the real GTO had normal dual exhaust.
3. Opinon but ok.
yea ok cause it does look real close to it.
4. Colors are boring? Well that is subjective. Have you seen any of them up close? What is an exciting color? White?
dishwater-dull, battleship-gray
5. BS. GTO interior has been praised as the best out of GM.
Thin plastic, cheap interior *****
6. Is that why the Monaro has won the Bathhurst 24 2 years in a row against Lambo's and Ferrari's? Yea, crappy. LOL
Those are race prepared cars, not something off the showroom, irrelevant.
7. Yea, cops see it and don't go WHOA. Some people like the sleeper look.
Most people don't. sleeper look>read boring car.
8. It does? You own one and you can't find it in a parking lot?
Yes it does, plain color, plain shape. No excitment.
9. Whatever. LOL That the best you can come up with?
yes, the best, I'm not sure if "whatever lol" is a retort or opinion.
10. You already said it. DUH
No I did not. Decade old, is DUH the opinion?
11. Which options would you like? Makes for easy ordering.
There Are NO options, that's what happends when you take only 17 weeks to production.
12. another DUH!
again no comment here, I commented on the tree that pops to remind you to rest, it's stupid.
13. You've driven one? HOw would you know? Skip shift is easily defeatable. See those who have owned LS1 6spd cars know that.
I have not driven one. I can read. I believe what testers say sometimes, it's not a solid feel shifter, there are much smoother out there, fact.
14. Compared to what? it stops 13 feet shorter than a $70K mercedes.
Compared to nothing, 185 feet is long period.
15. Compared to what again? THey are the same a Mach1.
the vette which has the same power.
16. I would agree, but it is only 3700lbs
Nope it's over 3800
17. How do you come up with that professor?
Known fact, they had to move the gas tank so it wouldn't pop like a pinto, fact
18. YOu must only read Car and Driver. Every other car magazine that has tested the car has said the complete opposite.
Car and driver mag is the best.
April-19th-2004 | 05:01 PM
#71
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Originally posted by macdaddyslomo
I told you he needed to be banned Rod. I've seen his type on the board before. They join just to bash. Here's why I don't like the GTO. Australian transplant. That would be like saying I want to build the Roadrunner again..lets take a Stratus and drop in a V8...yes it would be ugly but who cares, it's a midsize with a big engine, so it's a reproduction of an old muscle car ! How about using the new Grand Prix chassis, use some styling cues from the original GTO, and bring back that 454...that would be a great GTO!
I told you he needed to be banned Rod. I've seen his type on the board before. They join just to bash. Here's why I don't like the GTO. Australian transplant. That would be like saying I want to build the Roadrunner again..lets take a Stratus and drop in a V8...yes it would be ugly but who cares, it's a midsize with a big engine, so it's a reproduction of an old muscle car ! How about using the new Grand Prix chassis, use some styling cues from the original GTO, and bring back that 454...that would be a great GTO!
Wrong. If you look, you'll find my 1st post was not about the GTO. Yea, I took interest in this thread because it was about the GTO. But apparently i can't have an opinion FOR the GTO in this thread or board. Right, your and RP's opinions count but mine doesn't right?
To answer your other questions, why would anyone want a FWD V8 performance car with no manual for it? And FYI, the GTO never came with a 454.
Just a few hoods that are here and there will be others.
April-19th-2004 | 05:15 PM
#73
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Originally posted by II-Savy
1. Opinion. The WS6 was wild. How did it sell? Oh right....
Wasn't the WS6 just a package you could get on crappy f bodies?
2. It is a TRUE dual. Because it doesn't have exhausts on each side means nothing.
It does mean something, the real GTO had normal dual exhaust.
3. Opinon but ok.
yea ok cause it does look real close to it.
4. Colors are boring? Well that is subjective. Have you seen any of them up close? What is an exciting color? White?
dishwater-dull, battleship-gray
5. BS. GTO interior has been praised as the best out of GM.
Thin plastic, cheap interior *****
6. Is that why the Monaro has won the Bathhurst 24 2 years in a row against Lambo's and Ferrari's? Yea, crappy. LOL
Those are race prepared cars, not something off the showroom, irrelevant.
7. Yea, cops see it and don't go WHOA. Some people like the sleeper look.
Most people don't. sleeper look>read boring car.
8. It does? You own one and you can't find it in a parking lot?
Yes it does, plain color, plain shape. No excitment.
9. Whatever. LOL That the best you can come up with?
yes, the best, I'm not sure if "whatever lol" is a retort or opinion.
10. You already said it. DUH
No I did not. Decade old, is DUH the opinion?
11. Which options would you like? Makes for easy ordering.
There Are NO options, that's what happends when you take only 17 weeks to production.
12. another DUH!
again no comment here, I commented on the tree that pops to remind you to rest, it's stupid.
13. You've driven one? HOw would you know? Skip shift is easily defeatable. See those who have owned LS1 6spd cars know that.
I have not driven one. I can read. I believe what testers say sometimes, it's not a solid feel shifter, there are much smoother out there, fact.
14. Compared to what? it stops 13 feet shorter than a $70K mercedes.
Compared to nothing, 185 feet is long period.
15. Compared to what again? THey are the same a Mach1.
the vette which has the same power.
16. I would agree, but it is only 3700lbs
Nope it's over 3800
17. How do you come up with that professor?
Known fact, they had to move the gas tank so it wouldn't pop like a pinto, fact
18. YOu must only read Car and Driver. Every other car magazine that has tested the car has said the complete opposite.
Car and driver mag is the best.
1. Opinion. The WS6 was wild. How did it sell? Oh right....
Wasn't the WS6 just a package you could get on crappy f bodies?
2. It is a TRUE dual. Because it doesn't have exhausts on each side means nothing.
It does mean something, the real GTO had normal dual exhaust.
3. Opinon but ok.
yea ok cause it does look real close to it.
4. Colors are boring? Well that is subjective. Have you seen any of them up close? What is an exciting color? White?
dishwater-dull, battleship-gray
5. BS. GTO interior has been praised as the best out of GM.
Thin plastic, cheap interior *****
6. Is that why the Monaro has won the Bathhurst 24 2 years in a row against Lambo's and Ferrari's? Yea, crappy. LOL
Those are race prepared cars, not something off the showroom, irrelevant.
7. Yea, cops see it and don't go WHOA. Some people like the sleeper look.
Most people don't. sleeper look>read boring car.
8. It does? You own one and you can't find it in a parking lot?
Yes it does, plain color, plain shape. No excitment.
9. Whatever. LOL That the best you can come up with?
yes, the best, I'm not sure if "whatever lol" is a retort or opinion.
10. You already said it. DUH
No I did not. Decade old, is DUH the opinion?
11. Which options would you like? Makes for easy ordering.
There Are NO options, that's what happends when you take only 17 weeks to production.
12. another DUH!
again no comment here, I commented on the tree that pops to remind you to rest, it's stupid.
13. You've driven one? HOw would you know? Skip shift is easily defeatable. See those who have owned LS1 6spd cars know that.
I have not driven one. I can read. I believe what testers say sometimes, it's not a solid feel shifter, there are much smoother out there, fact.
14. Compared to what? it stops 13 feet shorter than a $70K mercedes.
Compared to nothing, 185 feet is long period.
15. Compared to what again? THey are the same a Mach1.
the vette which has the same power.
16. I would agree, but it is only 3700lbs
Nope it's over 3800
17. How do you come up with that professor?
Known fact, they had to move the gas tank so it wouldn't pop like a pinto, fact
18. YOu must only read Car and Driver. Every other car magazine that has tested the car has said the complete opposite.
Car and driver mag is the best.
2. Normal? LOL. Didn't the F-body have a fake dual exhaust? Or right it did.
4. Again, best you can come up with? Purple, Yellow, two blue's are not wild enough for ya? Hmmm, seems like every other car company out there.
5. You need to read more than Car and driver. LOL Zero clue.
6. Production based. Just because the chasis is 10 years old they still work well. Hell, the Mustang's is 27 years old.
7. Which cars in your opinion are exciting?
8. STyling is subjective again.
9. again....
11. 17 weeks to production?
12. So what?
13.
14. Oh, compared to nothing. Brilliant deduction
15. The vette is a DIFFERENT CAR all together
16. Curb Weight 3725 lbs. http://kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ns?kb...M29M6&&&&nyrnc
17. Yea, they did and it allowed for the TRUE DUAL exhaust.
18. Funny how only Car and Driver had issues with the car where has Automobile, Motor Trend, HPP, Pontiac Enthusiest, and Auotweek all love the car. Yup, C&D is the mag to read. LOL